To: alt.magick,alt.magick.chaos,alt.magick.goetia,alt.magick.serious,alt.magick.tantra,alt.magick.tyagi
From: yttrx@mutilation.net (.)
Subject: Re: XI degree OTO Questions (was: Re: Seeking Gay Magickal Men in  Boston, MA
Date: 13 Jul 2001 19:48:15 GMT

In alt.magick.serious [Y] wrote:
> In article <3B4E8801.DDAA7258@sympatico.ca>, "richard sprigg"
> <kteis@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> catherine yronwode wrote:
>> 
>>> This topic has been discussed before in usenet -- and since 1994, when
>>> i first got online, i have been asking about it myself. So far no
>>> serious respeonses have been forthcoming, and so i am asking again.
>>  
>>> If the (c)OTO does not currently initiate candidates with a homosexual
>>> XI degree ritual, did it ever do so (e.g. when Grady McMurtry rather
>>> than William Breeze was head of the order)?
>> 
>> Catherine: did you not read the "Magickal record of Fr. Meithras" when
>> it was online?
>> To attempt to deny Pat's membership in the OTO would be rather silly.

> Pat was most assuredly a member of (c)OTO at one time.  He was tossed-out
> for allegedly making some girl a IXth degree.  His ouster met with
> considerable derision from several quarters within the ranks, though it
> was hardly surprising, given the Grand Poo-Bah's penchant for childish
> and vindictive political action.

Absolutely.  He hardly should have been tossed out by his action, but 
at the same time, his extreme arrogance in the assumption that he was
actually qualified to raise *anyone* to IX was unjustified, ignorant,
and foolish.  Boy or girl.
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