For me to say "yes" to that, would mean that I'd have to say that I met Richard Nixon. I stood closer to Nixon than I was to LaVey. I heard Nixon talking as I heard LaVey. But did I meet him - was I introduced to him, did I speak to him myself? NO on both accounts.
Some time in the early late 1960's or 1970's. I think early 1970's; may have even been late 1960's. Sorry, but if I can't remember the exact date or year my own mom or dad died, I'm not going to remember THIS. It was a time before Aquino was well known in the COS. Ergo, it was definitely well before 1974 or 1975. I also want to state that it was no big deal. The visit of Ali Khan, on the other hand, along with some of the Yorktown big wigs was a big deal.
At 10 West 90th Street, New York City, Apartment 8, 4th floor in an apartment, in the living room, sat James Madole's mom on the left side of the couch. Madole himself always sat in his own chair in a corner of the room. Andrei Lisanik, seated diagonally from Madole and at catty corners with the couch and Mrs. Madole, was wondering why Madole was having "that Jew" over; he meant Anton LaVey. I was on the perpendicular side of Madole and Lisanic, alternating between listening and sitting and listening and getting coffee, making some snacks. Someone else was there, I don't remember who he was as he was too bland to remember (Lisanik was a hunk). Madole answered Lisanik by going into a lecture on Mr. Levey (he pronounced it like Levy) and the popularity of diabolism which was always, he said, part of the natural religion, the "Pagan warrior cult," of the Aryan peoples; and boy could he rattle off dates, places, and deities starting in India of course. He had it that Mr. Levey had a good scheme going. From what I gathered, he wanted either to get in on it, or wanted to take it over and include it in the "rag tag" portion of what he was connected to. The rag tags would battle with Leftists and have rallies. The Pagans, a motorcycle gang headed by Bruce Ithier (later to become THE New York COS connection after Aquino left) was part of the rag tag. In short, the rag tags were scum. The times I was there, Madole had United Nations people over, Middle Eastern people, or respectable community leaders from Yorktown, or Captive Nations big wigs, or rich playboys like Ali Khan. Only once, much later in the late 1970's, did I meet up with two rag tag scums at Madole's house: Bruce and Catherine Ithier.
Madole was in the habit of usually having meetings with Yorktown big wigs, Captive Nation big wigs (nationalist leaders who fled from Soviet bloc countries) and even some UN people from Mid East countries. Ali Khan was a friend of Madole's. This was no joke - they were in reality some kind of occult fraternity that based its tenets on Blavatsky and had definite connections to the darker side of the Theosophical Society which had been around a long time - and which is what Thule Society was about (Hitler joined that).
They held that the Jews (the original ones, called Abrahm) had eliminated the "yoni" from the "lingum/yoni" pair in their ancient days, and had become a Phallic cult that had a vested interest in keeping the Aryans Christianized and hence, TAMED. In this paradigm of "the way things are" the Jews left India (Abrahm means not Brahmin and was their original name before they made it Abraham), demonized the yoni and took to worshiping a phallus whilst preaching against the natural order of things and, of course, they mingled with the Negroes. The Chandravansa and the Suryavansa of India had mixed and what the mixtures were, according to this lore, were the Aryan Race! Note, the Chandravansa are the 4th Root Race, the Naga or Turanians - and Suryavansa are the 5th Root Race according to this lore. The mixing of these two over the years produced the Aryans. The Jews (Hebrews) had been a group that were in a lower caste and who had left before that and, after leaving and encountering Negroes, had mixed with the Negro races. When the Aryans left later on, they were in a state of perpetual war with these "mongrelized" Jews who'd promote race mixing and sexual perversion. This is the dumbed down and simplified version of the WHOLE of the belief system. It is a war to the end between Semite and Aryan. They'd cite things about the Jews very similar to Hitler's "Eternal Jew" movie but with more detail. They believed this paradigm; it was not like a religion, not quite. One noted example they gave was about how the Jews "took over" the Nietzsche society. I was always surprised to hear Madole go so far back with this - for I too know all about the Chandravansa and the Suryavansa. And I knew there was truth to what Madole was saying about where this tribe of people orginally came from. But the rest of it? Some of the stuff might hold true for some Jews living amongst Christians, but only much later on in history. They formed a great portion of what was the Radical Left, and yes, the Radical Left was anti-racist. But early on? No way unless you consider the "Christianizing of Rome" to be a Jewish plot because the original Christians were all Jews!
That's the paradigm. Yet here was Anton LaVey "Mr. Levey" - yet another Jew, taking over the diabolic current, or so said Madole. And what was rife in the LaVey Church of Satan? All kinds of kinky sex; one may even say that the early Church of Satan was about nothing but sex and Anton's kinky preferences. There is no fathoming the "black but cold hatred" the Aryan diabolists have for such a man as LaVey: it is unfathomable; it is dark and sinister, downright SCARY to be near, to the point where you can feel it as if it's a tangible thing in the air. The paradigm of how the world went, in this belief system, is this: civilizations that were once purely Aryan and great all fell due to two things: race mixing and rampant homosexuaity and perversion. These two destructive elements were always brought into the Aryan societies by Jews and other mixed races that the Jews always championed. Always there is the Jew to "take over" what belongs to the Aryan, and now the diabolic current is in the hands of Anton. That was their WHOLE paradigm of "civilization: rising and falling." And this is a very short and dumbed down version of the "rise and fall of civilizations." If you've heard it once, you recognize it in any form. If anyone doubts that Madole knew everything about the real Anton LaVey, consider that George Lincoln Rockwell knew it and first told everyone who he was - and Rockwell found it out from Madole. They were friends. Rockwell was murdered and Madole knew some shady things about Matt Koehl, the man who took over from Rockwell. Madole also knew a lot about FBI Cointelpro's and it would be interesting today to find out just what the FBI had in this sphere of activity. It is well known now what Cointelpros did to the American Indian Movement and the Black Panther Party. He knew that Matt Koehl's mom was Ruth Birnbaum and that Koehl had anal sex when he was 17: something the FBI or "Jewish insiders" used to blackmail him. Madole was at the party where this happened with Koehl - he saw it with his own eyes. Madole, if anything, knew details and had information on everyone of note. He could read people like a book which is why, when I was there, I said almost nothing.
Point is: Anton LaVey came to visit Madole. I'm not sure if this was the first visit or not OR if LaVey had also made a speech in the Warlock Shop where the Pagan's second-in-command tried to start a fight with him. Sorry, I don't remember what I call "outer" details that much about what I considered irrelevent bullshit. I didn't see it in any case or I would remember it. I heard. But now this is relevent to some folks, ah me.
I had written publicly before, and TO LaVey, about "Anton's life as a Jew in WASP society - his own hang up on the pale-blonde Aryan stereotype and how it felt to be cast out in WASP society." Much has been written about this by others. He reacted to it by BECOMING the very Devil the Christian society thought he was (actually, the WASP racial group in society, not necessarily Christians since Sicilian Catholics would not have ostracized him for his looks) - and as he writes in "Satan Speaks" (with his rediculous foray into Jewish Nazi mystiques), something certain Jews that hated their own Jewishness got into: "wanna be" what they can never be; "wanna buy into" that which ostracizes them: they do this by BECOMING what they are called. The movie "Man in the Glass Booth" is all about this sickness in some Jews. It is like when African Americans take the name "nigger" for themselves: "nigger" is the worst thing white society ever called them; it is the most demeaning and degrading thing - yet they'll call themselves "niggers." And it is like when African Americans in the past had a crisis over what to be called; so many of them tried to pass as ANYTHING ELSE, Hindu Indian, Native Indian, Spanish, Arab, Egyptian, anything, EXCEPT be black. The same psychological dynamic is working on both. The book "Whiteness of Another Color" by Jacobson delves into this quite well. I wrote LaVey this and also had a friend post something about this and the point is, LaVey did NOT say I was wrong: he said I knew him very well. I was right. If LaVey had been a proper Jewish boy, at ease with his own people, he'd have become a radical left winger in rebellion against the hippocracy in our society. He didn't go that route.
At Madole's house. The knock at the door. Someone else there answered it as Madole sat quietly. There he was, Anton LaVey. He looked quite good and said his usual line, though at the time I had no idea what his usual line was. But then, in the end, it came: that same old thing again. ARYAN Diabolism: far WORSE than polite or even rude Christian anti-Semitism! That could sum up the entirety of what I heard said that day. You could see it on LaVey's face in the end - as if he was slapped. The first "slap" came when LaVey was being lectured to by Madole on the varius Hindu texts and, at the time, other barely heard of texts. Madole was waxing on (and he could go on AND ON) but Madole was not getting into the Aryan versus Jew thing at all (Madole regarded Christianity as something the Jews wanted to keep on the Aryans). Madole spoke for about an hour on this, like a lecture on his overview of history and diabolism - but without bringing up race and Madole mentioned certain sacred texts. LaVey started to try to equal this by waxing eloquent on the Necronomicon of the Arab and Madole let him go on at bit with this. LaVey was definitely trying to impress Madole and hint that he had some secret book that only the few priveleged ones had ever seen. Madole "slapped him" by waxing eloquently on H. P. Lovecraft, August Derleth, Clark Ashton Smith and all of those writers, citing names, dates and every detail about who INVENTED these so-called secret hidden books, who these writers were, what they were connected to and NOT connected to and so forth. He ended it by declaring in a louder tone to LaVey that "the book doesn't exist." Then there was a pregnant silence.
Then came the Aryan Diabolism. When LaVey started to talk about Christianity and how they are anti carnal (the usual thing as I know now), Madole interrupted with one loud question: "But tell me, don't Jews love Christianity?" He said it like this: "But tell me How, ahem, Anton, don't the JEWS .... love Christianity." It was put to LaVey as if Madole was saying: "Don't YOU love Christianity." It was accusatory. There was a definite awkwardness and a few more words from Madole. LaVey had to leave, and whatever. End of story. No big deal. Madole couldn't be fooled and he knew everything about his visitor in advance.
Madole kept trying to get the Aryans in the COS to come over to his end, almost as if to take over the COS. He tried to get someone named Lilith to do joint things with him, but I have NO IDEA if this Lilith is the same Lilith that was with Aquino nor did I ever see any of this stuff; I heard it in passing. I would tend to doubt it; I don't think Lilith Aquino would have anything to do with Madole plus, as far as I know, she'd have been on the West coast with Aquino. But I don't know - really DO NOT KNOW. He did manage this with Bruce Ithier who was with him all the way but who was otherwise human garbage. Madole knew what Ithier was. Madole was not a man to be fooled. He had TOO MANY connections. I do know that after Aquino left the COS, at least in 1976, Ithier was THE CoS New York area contact and he was a Nazi; he was also an "angel dust" user and a pimp with one Melissa Beth Heller, a JDL spy, living in his harem. In other words, he was garbage. His wife Cathy appeared on one of the 3 major TV stations in a news spot talking for the Church of Satan back in the late 1970's.
I don't know much else since my end was PURELY political - NOT "occult society connections." Later on that day after LaVey left another person came to visit Madole and that is the person I WAS waiting to hear and see.
Anton LaVey? Either he tried to con everyone he ever met, or he was nuts and really believed in delusions about his new image and Devil's Mandates. That didn't come from Aquino. LaVey SAID IT to Madole! Aquino wasn't there. I don't even think Aquino was anything much in the CoS back then. I had heard of Diane and Karla from the news media back then. The overall impression was that LaVey was trying to con Madole into believing his own delusions of grandeur; all born of his own inability to ACCEPT that he was Jewish. That was the impression. When Madole "slapped" him with Aryan Diabolism, LaVey was, via body-language noticeably upset and made excuses to leave soon after. Since I wrote this impression to LaVey in the mid 1990's without saying where it came from, him wondering who I was, he did not deny that the CoS was always just a thing "all about HIMSELF" and nothing else. I said quite a few hard things to him - he didn't mind at all and said I was right. I think Vad may have seen this letter, but I'm not sure. It was not typed on a computer. This is in marked contrast to Barton who has her "worship feathers" ruffled at the slightest hint of truth about what is obviously her idol and trophy.
Why did I deny I ever met him? Even when asked how I knew him so well? Well, he might REMEMBER! That would not be good. It's not hard to psyche a person out when listening attentively and TRAINED to do just that. He was not complex at all: the dynamic that came together psycho-sexually to make him do what he did and desire the things he desired is VERY simple! His flirtations with Nazis are also easy to analyze: it's common in such people who have been made to feel like niggers: they wannabe what they can't be - or at least HAVE something of it. They wannabe accepted, even if it's on the most negative terms. "Won't accept him as Jew, but will accept him, in a way, as the Devil." As a Jew he was just another disenfranchized ethnic minority; as the Devil he was famous.
The only time I saw something of him, ON FILM no less, and kinda liked him was in the video tape where he reminisced about his childhood and played his organ for the camera. Otherwise I knew this, he was just a self-hating Jewish guy that got propelled into fame by the forces of media; and then had the doors shut on him by the same forces. For years people thought the CoS no longer existed and he didn't do much to counter anything Aquino was printing and saying. He never even debated Aquino which is strange. He never even wrote letters to the Priests who left, to try to get them back. All very strange. Was he afraid to do that?
Aquino? He was sincere; a true believer. Imo he was duped. He probably really believed that The Devil gave Anton a Mandate, for hell's sakes. The CoS never acknowledged the Priesthoods of ANY OTHER Satanic organization members out there; or so it is claimed. But I'd be willing to bet MONEY that Anton LaVey WOULD have acknowledged the Priest or Reverend titles of a self proclaimed Satanic Priest IF - he was connected to Madole! You see, Madole "smacked him in the face" with that Aryan Diabolism stuff: he SHUT THE DOOR on Anton - once again he FELT that door slam. I'd bet money that he'd have done ANYTHING to just have the door opened again. In the later 1970's, the CoS did indeed have Madole-related Satanic Priests - Bruce Ithier was one of them that I personally know of. I think Seth Klippoth (no joke) was another I saw literature from later on, post 1975.
I'm sure that anything LaVey ever wrote about this stuff would have it the other way: that Madole was all gung ho to accept LaVey - but that Anton would not accept Madole. That's the same line of bullshit as "Well, Anton LaVey was too far above debating with the likes of Aquino; he was too busy living the Satanic life to debate Aquino." Blah blah blah. Translation: LaVey was too chicken shit to confront Aquino. Gilmore said, in 1989, that the Neo-Nazis were forever trying to worm their way into the CoS and that LaVey would have no part of them. I let Gilmore talk and tell the story his way. uh huh. Sorry, I remember Ithier quite well and after 1975, Ithier was IT - and he was a Nazi. Cost to join the CoS was 100 bucks but if you were a Nazi, it cost only 10 bucks. LaVey tried to keep them out? Sorry: that's not the way it went. Madole and the entire Aryan Diabolic movement saw LaVey as a Jew trying to usurp the Aryan diabolic traditions and turn them into perverted sex clubs - and again, the dark hate these groups have for Jews is tangible - it's SPOOKY. I felt it when it crept up. In fact, the entire Amsterdam CoS Club was nothing but a kinky sex club; a whore house. So are these Aryanists wrong? And while there may have been kinky sex, it still wasn't GAY sex. The CoS Gilmore version on that was that the OTO type groups were riddled with queers. Barton's letter to Christopher Bray launches into a sneering mockery of Aquino's supposed anal sex too - as if that mattered to what she wrote Bray about.
One Big Whatever. Lies built upon more lies.